I haven’t tried yet. Is this normal and thus user error? Top. Plus of course, it’s quieter than before – all pluses. Tacx alluded to some of this in their Flux 2 series, and I included some charts showing it. Comparing power with Favero Assioma Duos I'd say this is very accurate trainer. The new XR took all the best bits of the original and improved on them: more power, steeper climbs, and better calculations for we chaps who prefer pies & ale to salad and spring water. Elite says that the increase of flywheel weight from 4.2kg to 5.1kg was specifically done to increase the road feel realism. But they said it’s on their list. Have you tried on different devices? …so at the moment the high end trainer from elite is the direto XR? In these cases the Direto XR takes a long time as well to adapt to target power. As far as calibration goes, you can complete it easily from most apps – including TrainerRoad and Zwift. No cassette to install, no legs to assemble, and hopefully no foam to clean-up. I recently got the Direto XR and was wondering if there is a way to pair my Garmin HRM-Tri to Zwift. – By having an endless cassette, then it makes it easier to go up that hill because most people can spin more efficiently at 90RPM then 50RPM when the hills get really steep – that article explain exactly that. Meaning – how does it compare to other power meters? Peter. Also, if this wasn’t the case, then Zwift wouldn’t already be discussing setting this to 100% for certain races. I set power smoothing to 6. I also hear some weird sounds but at this point I don’t know if they’re from the shifting, from some other problem, or if it’s to be expected…. Lowering the trainer setpoint does not diminish the hills but essentially lowers the speed and gives more gearing options. The power as precise as reported in professional reviews, tracks really well my stages. I live in apartment house and I can say it is quiet enough to train indoors without disturbing you neighbors - on sprints noise will get louder, but who makes +1400W sprints continuously? Do we know that for sure? You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m currently laughing. € 832,45 (0) Kinetic Kinetic R1 Direct-Drive Trainer T-7000. It came with a Zwift card and another card that has a picture of an oil can and a cassette. Otherwise sometimes I’d accidentally grab the wrong cycling shoes for a trip or packing or such. Re: Direto XR problems with ERG mode. It is something that you can also do on the Direto XR. from popriu September 25, 2020 I have a direct elite xr and it lacks a better, firmer support at 3 feet if the floor is sloped. Peter. Bill… which one did you buy? The Elite my ETraining app can be used to adjust some things on the trainer like power smoothing. That’s tough. – Cassette compatibility of 8 through 12 speed cassettes (adapters required for XD/XDR/NX/Campy) Is it possible that the new improved ERG algorithms will be applied to the old Drieto X? Can't find any fault in it, ready to use out of the box and zwifting with it is so much better... Gonna smash my PRs this winter , First smart trainer after a power meter from mrkrmstrng September 10, 2020 So easy to set up, very quite, dame with the cassette. Maybe I somehow downloaded an old version from the app store and it was updated? – Requires power cable/be plugged in. Condition: Nouveau produit. In Canada, this trainer is hard to find and many stores are running out of stock real soon. On Zwift I just pedaled “aggressive” to a high RPM, and Zwift then told me to stop and the calibration was done. Cheaper is better apparently. I wouldn’t mind slightly less noise and faster ERG but e.g. Realistic momentum on zwift from the flywheel takes some getting used to, but much more stable at big watts than a wheel on. The M2 seems to be stocked places, but the KICKR Snap is always out (is that a harbinger of things to come?)…. I have very sensitive neighbors but I only had wheel-on trainers in the past so I don’t have a good noise reference. Stable, il permet de simuler plus justement l’effort, y compris avec des athlètes de très haut niveau. If this is the case then the fault is with the app developers. I have installed my 12spd MTB on a 8spd cassette on my trainer and it works fine. my weekly podcast - with GPLAMA, which is packed with both gadget and non-gadget goodness! And the myetraining app in the configuration lacks a power as x percent in each pedal. I tried both options with the spacers provided by Elite but it did not help. Looking for the equipment I use day to day? So very often the pleasure is pain. – Axle Compatibility: Race 130x5mm, MTB 135x5mm, 142x12mm (with adapter for 135×10-12mm & 148x12mm) But longer rides, especially ones at lower power levels can lead to saddle pains that are often addressed with rocker plates and the like. No you are not. A bit OT but you show using the Elite Sterzo for the riser block and mention that you always use a riser. Top. Can be used without power cord in a pre race scenario as a warm up Pour ce motif, DIRETO XR est compatible avec des cassettes Shimano®/SRAM de 9/10/11 vitesses, Campagnolo de 9/10/11/12 vitesses, SRAM NX 12 vitesses et Shimano® 12 vitesses micro Spline. Keep in mind that TrainerRoad anticipates this delay and starts ramping up(down) the power before the interval starts. I plan on setting up my trainer in the cellar which gets cold in winter so I’m guessing that’s a definite “no” to a Wahoo! Well, it’s not loud. Just like most other companies’ trainer update apps. Between all these standards you can basically connect to anything and everything you’d ever want to. I too have found this best on my trainer (Kickr Core fwiw), can anyone explain to me why this is the case? Slightly off topic – what shoes are you using here? The Direto XR is more accurate than the Suito since it actually measure your effort with the in-built power meter, whereas the Suito does not measure your actual power but calculates it with its algorithm based on speed and resistance data. Oh – and they’ve taken a page from Wahoo’s playbook this year: The Direto XR is shipping as of today. As always for ERG mode, I used the smaller ring in the front chainring (as recommended by trainer company and app company, as it helps control flywheel speed). I’m still thinking of getting a direct drive trainer as I’ve had a Kickr2 before and tried a few others & they must have improved since 2016. I've had this for years, and use it in places where I don't have a big screen or desk, but just an iPad or tablet on my road bike bars. But they said they don’t have such feature and don’t plan to implement it at the moment. Thanks for the great reviews – narrowed down my options to the Saris H3 and Elite Direto XR. Is that possible to do so? – If it wasn’t, then racers wouldn’t be using it to be faster in race I’ve just received a Direto XR as a warranty replacement for my Drivo II. In the fit file later on I got a constant speed. It’s a bug in the current speed indication. I updated to firmware 073 prior to making this test. Regards, This sometimes results in numbness or other discomfort, even on bikes that are otherwise “perfect” when ridden outside. The Direto XR expands Elite's selection of interactive role trainers with a model that is more powerful, more stable and more accurate than its predecessors. WIN AN ELITE DIRETO XR + STERZO SMART! Have been using Zwift for all my indoor sessions (Training, free rides, group and races). I suppose levelness on a trainer is a minor consideration in the larger scheme of things, but I found out the hard way it makes a BIG difference if you mess with saddle position on the trainer and later realize something isn’t quite right on a long road ride. It is clear though that there’s improvements around the firmware, beyond just hardware. Deze trainer heeft een geïntegreerde vermogensmeter. Increase Moment of Inertia 26%. Looking at the mean/max graph for this ride, it’s also pretty darn close: And on this long ride, cadence looks perfectly flawless: So, overall I’m not seeing any issues related to power meter accuracy on the Direto XR. Between this and CORE, which one would you choose? I have one which seems to work really well for me, has kept me sane through lockdown and done 4000k on Zwift in that time, but too much overlap with Suito? – Increased grade simulation from 18% to 24% Like the Suito, the most powerful interactive roller trainer available today features a very convenient plug & play configuration, designed to provide a truly simple and direct indoor cycling experience from the first time you use it. I am interested in getting one for the winter. My trainers ERG-mode went on power smoothing level 6 (of 10) from unusable to OK. Quieter than a Flux 2 for sure, but not as quiet as a KICKR Core. That got the ramp workout to agree for output, but I’m currently seeing the Suito track from 3-9watts high for Zwift races. Maybe the video difference is just due to different recording setup or levels? 1) what about the cadence sensor? With firmware version 067 this was not an issue. I mean $50 US negligible. De poten van de fietstrainer zijn vastgezet, waardoor deze meteen gebruikt kan worden. Meaning, I suspect this is an algorithm based error rather than interruption based dropout, because I was recording on multiple devices and the power never dropped out (part of the same channel), on any devices. My 1st direct drive from DodgyDunk September 23, 2020 . Thankfully, that’s not the case here. Get all your awesome high quality DCR kit and gear here! Correct, it’s no longer being made going forward – the XR is now considered the top dog by Elite. Easy setup Accurate power Realistic inertiaWell-built Portable/storable Quiet. Where it can matter though is at low-speed high wattage climbs up those 12% or beyond ascents. Which, come to think of it – isn’t that all of us? I typically do that with my 30×30 test via TrainerRoad, though it doesn’t really matter what method you use as long as you’re looking at big shifts in wattage: Now, I dive into all the nuances of this later on in the accuracy section, specifically including my 30×30 test via TrainerRoad, though it doesn’t really matter what method you use as long as you’re looking at big shifts in wattage. What is the card for? Perfetto per allenamenti in bici mirati ad ottenere performance spettacolari ed un livello di realismo sorprendente. I had initially thought of getting the Wahoo KICKR CORE but I was feeling pretty nervous about all the problems they seem to have and then I read that Wahoo cannot guarantee the power accuracy below 15 degrees! At least on Zwift. Has always been 50% by default. Hi, Direto XR is overall really excellent unit, ride feel is great, it is super for racing even on hardest climbs in sim mode, nice design, etc. And the myetraining app in the configuration lacks a power as x percent in each pedal. How and where can I get this information (pay)? That wind resistance causes a rearward push against our torso in particular, and I suspect leads to a related weight distribution shift. Salve, una cortesia,ho acquistato ieri un rullo Elite Direto XR e ho provato … Elite says this makes a 26% larger intertia amount: On Amazon US, they’re actually down to $15 right now. Typically one uses the small ring in front and one of the bigger ones of the cassette. Yeah, I don’t think Elite would disagree on max grade being about marketing. Compared to the Direto X, which simulated gradients of up to 18%, the DIRETO XR can simulate gradients of up to 24%, delivering up to 2300 watts at 40 km/h. great site Hi K, The bigger ring in the front makes the flywheel go faster, which makes it harder for the trainer to control resistance on a dime. Hi Andrei, Just to comment on a couple other areas – the Suito + chain noise is too loud to use in the same room as someone else trying to be on a Zoom call. cobblestones), Support rolldown procedure (for wheel based), Supports ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Bluetooth Smart FTMS (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Multiple Concurrent Bluetooth connections. It doesn't have smartphone/ANT+/Bluetooth integration, but it does have secondary outlets. Post-ride analysis works best as long as your power meter supports Crash Dynamics. We haven’t figured out yet why sometimes users get the wrench icon, it is something you should see with Zwift. Took me around 10 minutes from start to finish. It doesn’t mean that your data will be ‘made up’ because the Suito can still calculate power with a 2,5% accuracy (which is definitely good). As a start, I tried the FTP test from the triathloncrewcologne. I’ll keep you posted. Is there a proper way of starting a workout? as said by Ray, this isn’t normal. Thanks. the 2070mm is just the proposed dimension. I thought of outright adjusting it from scrtch – but when I put the wheel back on, the shifting is fine. Most of the time. it takes only the power, no matter your pedaling speed. And about starting the workout, I start pedaling before I start the workout. Here’s that data: Given how long it is (and somewhat variable), it can be hard to see the nuance, so let’s just zoom in to a random section: Overall it’s very very close together, though there are some slightly lower spots from the Quarq when I ease off the power. elite-it.com DIRETO XR meilleure portée et une plus grande capacité sur l’ensemble des pignons allant jusqu’à 12 vitesses. You'll support the site, and get ad-free DCR! Elite has taken the Suito ‘pull it out of the box and done’ concept from last year, and applied it to the XR. It’s even worse on the big ring. I’ll give it another week to see what happens. In any case, the trainer will communicate with any software, Zwift included If I’m going to spend that kind of money I’d rather do it on a quieter trainer that has bang-on snap-to ERG mode changes. No regrets. I’ll keep working with Elite and see if they can’t make one more adjustment and get it spot on. That kinda makes sense because the Suito was new-new, whereas the Direto X was basically just a slightly revamped Direto. Can't find any fault in it, ready to use out of the box and zwifting with it is so much better... Gonna smash my PRs this winter On the etraining app, once I select power smoothing, it asks me to pedal for some time and the app times out and nothing happens. Thanks. After a few seconds, the power comes back down to the set wattage power. Description. So in reality it’s 5.1kg (not 4.5kg as originally announced), thus making it 21.5% higher than the Direto X. But in doing so, this more powerful Direto kills off the Drivo series trainers from Elite, which were Elite’s prior top-dog trainers. We’re talking a difference of on average about 4-5w. Like I always say – for me personally, it’s hard to separate the fact that I’m riding indoors from outdoors. Any help would be welcome; I’ve been struggling for a few days now and am on the verge of returning the bike. Su Zwift, durante i workout, la … Instead, Elite cuts the price and adds a cassette – making it far more accessible with very few trade-offs. This is only suggestions, and what I should have tried, dont know if any of them works for u. The amazon link works fine though. Trainer firmware is 073. The first is their Elite My E-Training app, which you can do calibrations from within: As with most trainers, they recommend you warm-up first: And then there’s the Elite Upgrado app – which actually launched in the fall of 2019 for updating Elite trainers (finally!). But most of this all boils down to two core methods: ERG Mode: Setting a specific power level – i.e., 220w. It’s all I hoped for in upgrading from a dumb trainer and highly recommend it. The myETraining app is quite powerful, although Zwifters probably won’t use any of its features beyond calibration. 400,00 EUR. Oh, yeah, definitely start pedaling before the video.